Justice??

This is an interesting pair of articles…



Palin effigy removed from US home after protests
Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:34pm EDT


LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – A man who prompted protests by hanging an effigy of U.S. Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin by a noose from his home at Halloween has removed the display because it was causing too much trouble.


Chad Michael Morrisette had dressed a mannequin to resemble the Alaska governor, complete with beehive hairstyle and her trademark glasses, and hung it by the neck from the eaves of his home in famously liberal West Hollywood.


In the run-up to next Tuesday’s election, this triggered counter-protests and a visit by the U.S. Secret Service, although officials concluded he had violated no law.


“It was just creating such a disturbance. There were helicopters circling overhead, counter protesters,” Jake Stevens, spokesman for West Hollywood Mayor Jeffrey Prang, said in explaining why Morrisette agreed to remove the effigy.


“Mayor Prang just kind of appealed to his common sense. He had made his point and it was becoming counter-productive,” Stevens said.


Morrisette also plans to take down a mannequin of Republican candidate John McCain which had protruded from the chimney surrounded in flames, Stevens said.


And then this one:








2 men arrested for hanging Obama effigy from tree
Posted document.write(niceDate(’10/30/2008 5:49 PM’)); 1h 39m ago








LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) — Two men have been arrested for hanging a Barack Obama effigy from a tree on the University of Kentucky Campus.


University police say a student and another man were taken into custody Thursday afternoon after turning themselves in. Police identified the men as 22-year-old UK student Joe Fischer and 21-year-old Hunter Bush, both of Lexington.


Both were jailed Thursday. No information was available on whether they have attorneys.



UK Police Interim Chief Joe Monroe says university police interviewed the men, who described the incident as a “stunt that had gotten out of hand.”


Monroe said the men told police they decided to do it after seeing reports about a Sarah Palin effigy.


Ironically, dh and I read about the first incident last night, and speculated a bit about what the reaction would have been if Obama had been the person hung in effigy.  Evidently, these guys wondered, too, and I guess they found out. 


So hanging or burning a white dummy is okay, and hanging a black one gets you put in jail. 


Uh-huh.  Makes sense to me. 


 

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19 Responses to Justice??

  1. Just does not make sense to me either.  The guys kept saying it was ART?  Lame. 

  2. homefire says:

    Yeah, maybe we need a new crime category called “hate art”–things like burning the American flag and hanging people in effigy.  Just blows my mind that one was okay and the other wasn’t!  So the display with BO wasn’t “artsy” enough or what?  Sheesh!  I guess they made their point, though.

  3. Unreal.  Very typical though…The injustice is blatant and despicable.  It seems there isn’t any integrity in anything anymore.

  4. fwren says:

    I just KNEW that’s what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot ~ humbug ~

  5. It’s probably due to the different locations of the incidents. One, in super-modern (and hopefully more lenient and open-minded) LA, and the other in…Kentucky.  Different perceptions in different locations  (and possibly different laws).

  6. Interesting.  I got an interesting email yesterday. One of those forward things, but I thought it raised some good points. (I’m not pro-O!) Ponder the following: * What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage, including a three month old infant and an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter? * What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review? * What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class? * What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee? * What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards? * What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married? * What if Michelle Obama were the wife who not only became addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? * What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard? * What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five? (The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.) * What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker? * What if Obama couldn’t read from a teleprompter? * What if Obama were the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes? * What if Obama were the one who was known to display publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management problem? * What if Michelle Obama’s family had made their money from beer distribution? * What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?

  7. homefire says:

    @TeacherPerson – Wow, lots of stuff In there I’m wondering about.  Have to do some research!

  8. BooksForMe says:

    Unbelievable. Unbelievable!   

  9. My husband and I said the same thing…If it were an Obama Effigy there would be BIG TROUBLE!!!And there was…Too bad women are not treated with the same respect. Or Children.It is a disgrace the way Gov. Palin has been treated. This is just another example.

  10. gsmith03 says:

    I think it also has something to do with burning crosses and other crimes committed against blacks by people wearing white hoods.  While this was not a hate crime against black people, it is sometimes hard to distinguish it.  The article doesn’t say much, so how do we know this wasn’t a hate crime?  Yes, there are many people voting for Obama because he’s black, but there are also many people NOT voting for him because he’s black.  Based on the information in the article, how do we know that these kids weren”t some disgruntled KKK members or Neo-Nazis trying to make a statement?You also have to look at the fact that the effigy of the black guy was done in Kentucky, a state that has had a lot of racial tension in the past.  They probably have stricter laws against this sort of thing just because they’ve had more of a problem with it.  Plus, I looked up another article about this incident, and it says that the materials used to make the doll were stolen from a frat house.  The article says they were charged with second degree burglary (a felony) and disorderly conduct.  A felony usually requires jail time.  Disorderly conduct is a misdemeanor, and it is debated whether it should even be classified as a “criminal charge.”  In other words, if they hadn’t stolen the supplies they probably wouldn’t have been arrested (though I already see it coming – you’ll probably say this was a trumped up charge, which is always a possibility, but there is only speculation and no hard evidence to back it).  And the couple from LA?  From everything I have read the supplies were their own (or borrowed with permission) so no felony was committed.  Yeah, disorderly conduct may have been a possible charge, but the police probably just decided not to bother with it.  The LAPD has plenty of more important things to deal with, I’m sure (LA has one of the highest crime rates of any city in the United States).Republicans can cry about how this proves how “unfairly” Palin has been treated, but there are other issues at stake here.  Please turn off your Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and listen to some unbiased reporting before passing judgment.

  11. homefire says:

    @gsmith03 – Ah, wouldn’t I love to listen to unbiased reporting on the election!  Unfortunately, I don’t think there is any such thing anymore!    It would be nice to see journalists who at least TRY to be unbiased, though.  That’s becoming a more and more of a rarity.  I really didn’t think these particular articles were biased, though–both are pretty basic and factual.  I just happened to see both of them on my news home page and couldn’t believe it.  The juxtaposition of the two looks biased to you, but really it is just the facts, whether you like it or not! 

  12. templestream says:

    Many of our beloved presidents (so called “Christian” even “born again” versions) have been burning very lifelike human effigees regularly in the cultic Bohemian Grove ceremonies. I have an interesting link in my article “Barreling Towards Babylon” at my Xanga blog. This stuff never gets airtime on mainstream news…interesting.

  13. templestream says:

    What’s also interesting is that many of our beloved presidents have burned very lifelike human effigees regularly in the cultic Bohemian Grove ceremonies. I have an interesting link in my article “Barreling Towards Babylon” at my Xanga blog.

  14. gsmith03 says:

    @homefire – The facts are that the two students in Kentucky committed a felony, called burglary.  The couple in LA did no such thing.  The people that committed the felony were arrested, and the people that didn’t were not arrested.  You can make speculations about preferential treatments or discrimination all you want, but those are the facts.

  15. homefire says:

    @gsmith03 – The fact (according to the media, which I admit is highly undependable!) is that they were arrested for hanging the effigy!  The first news reports said nothing about any burglary.  That was mentioned briefly later, but I haven’t been able to find any details about it.  All the emphasis in the media has been on the hanging of the effigy.  So if they were arrested for burglary, why in the world have all the news reports I have seen said that they were arrested for hanging the effigy, then charged with burglary later?  It’s either media hype or injustice, and I guess either is equally possible.

  16. gsmith03 says:

    @homefire – My personal opinion would be the former, just because media hype is so commonplace.  While injustice is definitely not nonexistent, media bias seems to make the most sense (which in a way is injustice itself).  And it goes both ways, with CNN seemingly giving preferential treatment to Obama, and with Fox News playing the Bill Ayers card and giving a lot of airtime to Joe the Plumber.I just didn’t like that this story was shared without regard for all the facts, and that it clearly implied that this is the way things are all across the country.  There is bias going both ways.  I have been trying my hardest to ignore the mud being slung by both sides (and by people close to me – pretty much all of my family and friends down here hate Obama) and vote the issues, and I hope voters nationwide are doing the same (though I am afraid they are not).  Yes, character is important when choosing a leader, but when it comes to a campaign it is very hard to read a person’s character.  I side with Obama on most issues, and I also see him as a man of character despite the efforts of the McCain (and Clinton) campaign to paint him otherwise.  I think John McCain and Sarah Palin have good intentions, but I do not think they will lead this country in the right direction.

  17. homefire says:

    @gsmith03 – Yeah, I’m afraid neither Obama nor McCain will.  I’m becoming pretty cynical about politics.  :-/  And really, you must admit that most of the media has been slanted toward Obama, not just CNN.  Fox is about the only major one biased the other way.  It’s sad that unbiased reporting has become an unusual event.

  18. gsmith03 says:

    @homefire – There is more right-wing media than you think.  When I am tuning my radio, without fail I can find at least three conservative talk shows or self-labeled “no-spin” news (much like Bill O’Reilly’s so-called “No-Spin” Zone).  TV media is more rarely biased toward the right, but local TV news networks here definitely can be biased that direction on occasion.But you are right that, as a whole, there is more left-wing media than right-wing.  To be honest, though, I think that is just going to be the natural tendency of journalism.  Media reporting requires an “objective” view of things, being “open-minded” if you will so that no favoritism or bigotry creeps in.  By definition liberals are idealists, exploring new possibilities (though sometimes going too far), while by definition conservatives want to stick to the old philosophies (sometimes causing regression).  In order to explore new possibilities, liberals have to be pretty open-minded, whereas advocating old philosophies requires a great deal of closed-mindedness from conservatives.  Therefore liberals by nature will tend to be more open-minded, and so successful “open-minded” journalists will tend to be more liberal.  Unfortunately, although objectiveness requires no favoritism, since journalists tend to be liberal a certain amount of bias will naturally creep in.

  19. Actually the difference was the location of the effigies.  And remember that the man who hung the Obama ‘ghost’ effigy didn’t get in trouble, just the same amount of media attention, and less protesters.

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