The Cycle of Nations

The Cycle of Nations:

“From bondage to spiritual faith.

From spiritual faith to great courage.

From courage to liberty.

From liberty to abundance.

From abundance to selfishness.

From selfishness to complacency.

From complacency to apathy.

From apathy to dependency.

From dependency back again into bondage.”

–Sir Alex Fraser Tyler, A Scottish jurist and historian


So right now, in our nation, where are we in this continuum?  I’d really like to hear some opinions.



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13 Responses to The Cycle of Nations

  1. BooksForMe says:

    Wow.  What a sobering list.  Where/how did you find it?  My first reaction is that the majority of us, including Believers, are at complacency.  God have mercy on us.

  2. Anonymous says:

    As a nation, I believe we’re heading into the final line.. “from dependency back again into bondage.”  It’s sobering to think of how long it will take to move us back to the beginning of the cycle.  We’re SO steeped in our selfishness.. this could take a while.. but by the grace of God.

  3. looks like we’re ready for a revival of spiritual faith, eh?interesting list!

  4. homefire says:

    @BooksForMe – We heard a message on prophecy last night that was enough to curl your toes, not because it was unbelieveable, but because so much of it is current events rather than future ones.    The guy cited this list, and I searched and found it online because it impressed me so much.Personally, I think we are descending deep into dependency, and are nearly ready to be led back into bondage.  Look at the whole financial brouhaha.  When the stock market plunged that much back in 1929, people were jumping out of their office windows!  Did that happen this time?  NO.  Why?  Because people think that it can’t happen–someone has always bailed them out before, and surely they will again.  The mess with Fannie Mae, etc?  Well, everyone’s expecting that surely someone will pull a rabbit out of a hat and fix it!  And look at the public opinion in this election.  Many people want change, but have they actually bothered to think about exactly what changes they want?  I think a lot of them are content to let someone else worry about the specifics.  They just know they’re not happy with what they have now, so surely someone can help them out, right?  We’ve come through such abundance and selfishness that we as a nation have forgotten that not all change is good.  We’re lazy, and just want someone else to fix it so that we can continue doing exactly as we please.This speaker’s slant was the current economic crisis has been carefully engineered to shake people up so that they are ready and willing for someone to take over and merge things into a world economy, in the hope that it will be more stable.  He also had some interesting reasons for the wars of recent years, explaining how they have been used to carefully sculpt public opinion in the proper channels for the coming world changes.  VERY interesting stuff.  Not exactly conspiracy theory, but very definitely attributing the changes in our country (and around the world) to powers behind the scenes rather than the visible government.  It was only the first talk in a series, and I’m really hoping we get to hear the rest of it, because it is fascinating.One thing that he just mentioned in passing was that a big part of the agenda is to get rid of the middle class.  That makes perfect sense to me, because I believe that a large, educated middle class has been the thing that has made the US so powerful.  I also had to think that all the stuff that he talked about has been carefully prepared for by the public schools.  They are dutifully turning out workers rather than thinkers, so that people are more ready to accept the ideas that government and media pump into their brains. 

  5. fwren says:

    I’ve seen this list before and also think we are on the last line, unfortunately.  Think of the times in the NT where God’s people were liberated when they obeyed, but went right back into bondage when they didn’t ~ we never learn ~

  6. BooksForMe says:

    @homefire – The Lord is coming for a Bride without spot or wrinkle.  If it takes bondage to bring about the kind of repentance that needs to take place in His church, so be it.  I don’t look forward to it, but I do look forward to seeing His Bride dressed and ready. It will be a beautiful thing to behold! 

  7. homefire says:

    @BooksForMe – Amen!    Well said, sister!

  8. bafocus_2 says:

    Isn’t is amazing how much quicker things move when we cross from abundance to selfishness. Truly gives meaning to the term…..downward spiral or slide!!

  9. Simbathe2nd says:

    This is so true of all nations. What great thoughts. People just can’t see history repeating itself.

  10. Anonymous says:

    Wow… powerful.

  11. This is an amazing list.

  12. joy4jesus424 says:

    I think we are somewhere between complacency and apathy…fascinating list!

  13. Anonymous says:

    I think the door is already opening to the last one.

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